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Psycho with a knife!

How would you respond?


Posted: Thursday, November 20, 2008
Updated: November 19th, 2008 07:26 PM GMT-05:00

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Intercept the weapon-bearing arm


Alfredo Rico

Run through the attacker to take his balance
RICHARD NANCE
Defensive Tactics Contributor


Firearms are superior to contact distance weapons, such as knives, in that the former can typically injure or kill from a greater distance than the latter. This fact can lead to officers underestimating the danger an edged weapon presents. You might have even heard an officer say, "I'll just shoot 'em" when considering the possibility of facing an attacker armed with an edged weapon.

Unfortunately many officers fail to comprehend that within five feet (the distance where most of us are killed) a knife or other edged weapon, such as a screwdriver or box cutter is just as deadly as a firearm. If you're attacked suddenly with an edged weapon, you better have a plan to negate the initial attack and create enough time and distance to draw your handgun. Standing your ground or back peddling while attempting to draw is an ill-advised response. If you don't believe me, I suggest you watch Surviving Edged Weapons by Calibre Press, Inc.

Most edged weapon defense currently being taught to law enforcement personnel is based on traditional martial arts. Martial arts-based techniques tend to be overly complex, requiring the officer to respond with the reflexes of a ninja and the precision of a surgeon at a moment when the officer's coordination is significantly diminished due to the body's physiological response to extreme stress often referred to as the fight or flight response.

To make matters worse, many systems teach a different technique for each type of attack. While these techniques may work well in a sterile training environment against a single, telegraphed thrust, they will likely fail against a realistic attack, involving repeated slashes and or stabs.

Although there is no foolproof technique for handling an edged weapon attack, the run through described below is about as simple and gross-motor based as you can get. The run through can be used against most types of stabs and slashes and is simple enough to employ under the heart pounding stress of a real unscripted edged weapon attack.

Step 1 - Intercept weapon-bearing limb

The run through can be used against any downward, upward, or horizontal attack originating from the left side of your body. This is very important when you consider than roughly 90% of the population is right handed. (A slight modification of the run through can be applied against horizontal attacks coming from the right side of your body).

When the weapon-bearing arm is in motion, generalize where the attack is coming from and intercept the arm with the exterior of your left forearm. Against a low level attack, such as a thrust to the abdomen, you can thrust your hips back to help maintain a gap between the weapon and your body.

Keep in mind that in the event of a stab to the abdomen, (a preferred target for knife attacks) you will likely be grabbed initially. This affords the attacker better control of your body and allows him to pull you into the stab to intensify the damage inflicted. Any valid stab defense technique must be effective regardless of whether or not the attacker grabs his intended victim prior to stabbing.

Step 2 - Take the attacker's balance (Occurs almost simultaneously to Step 1)

If you were hoping to be able to actually take the edged weapon from the bad guy I'm sorry to disappoint you. Attempting to disarm the attacker would almost certainly result in you sustaining grievous injury. As such, this type of response is better left to Hollywood action heroes. Rather than trying to control the weapon, your goal should be to control the attacker by taking his balance.

If after intercepting the weapon-bearing arm, you fail to immediately off-balance the attacker, he can simply re-direct the blade to cut your arm and then unleash a ferocious combination of stabs and slashes with devastating results.

As the name implies, the run through technique involves you literally running through the attacker. This is accomplished by placing the palm of your hand under the attacker's chin to tilt his head back. Remember that where the head goes, the body follows. With his head off axis, you will be able to drive the attacker back rather easily. At the risk of stating the obvious, after intercepting the weapon-bearing arm, it's a good idea to direct the weapon away from the body.

It's important to differentiate between tilting the attacker's head back and delivering a traditional strike. Striking and retracting your arm gives the attacker an opportunity to regain his balance, which is the last thing you want. Instead of striking, imagine tilting the attacker's head back like a Pez dispenser.

Step 3 - Disengage, draw, and move

After driving the attacker backward with several powerful strides, plant your lead foot and shove off to disengage, creating enough time and distance to draw your firearm and asses the situation.

If possible, move to a position of cover and order the attacker to drop the knife and assume a prone position. If the attacker charges, consider moving off line, since even accurate handgun rounds might not immediately incapacitate an emotionally disturbed, highly motivated or chemically altered attacker. Moving off line causes the attacker to have to re-orient to you, which could be the difference between emerging from the encounter unscathed and being severely injured or killed.

The Run through drill

To practice the run through, find a training partner and arm them with an inert training knife. Put on your duty belt, holster and inoperable training gun. Both you and your partner should wear appropriate eye protection. Stand close enough so that your partner can actually reach you if he were to extend the knife. Note-any technique works when the attacker isn't close enough to cut you!

The drill begins when your partner either grabs you or attempts to slash or stab you. At first, begin by having your partner stab downward, with an ice pick grip. Execute the run through, move off-line and draw. Repeat the drill against a high horizontal slash, low horizontal slash, upward stab, and a grab initiated stab. As you become more proficient, mix up the attacks and pick up the pace.

Always have a plan B and never give up!




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Rich Nance is a police defensive tactics instructor, firearms instructor, S.W.A.T. team member and karate blackbelt with over twenty years experience training in and teaching self-defense. Rich is the co-founder of Weapon Acquisition & Retention Tactics (WARTAC), a company that provides tactical training to law enforcement, military, and civilians

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Posted by Chas in Dayton
(11/22/08 - 05:09 AM)
Article
Ive been practicing and researching martial arts for over 20 yrs, and this is probably the best article Ive come across information wise on knife attacks. But remember to practice, practice, practice. That annual self defense course just wont cut it friend. Also keep in mind that from a phycological standpoint dont tell your self you WONT be cut because you probably WILL. Fight to avoid being cut in a major artery area, you can take a cut to the outside of the forearm a heck of a lot better that on the inside.



Posted by W. Hock Hochheim in Texas
(11/22/08 - 11:25 AM)
Eye attack the knifer
The eye attack.
Forget about disruptoingt he enemy's balance with a palm strike. Height and weight vary. Take that close hand, and stick fingers int he eyes.

You have to either decide to wrap the arm, draw and shoot, or back away. Note the arm knife is free in the photos. It could slash the torso (protected by body armor?)

The eye attack is far superior a diminisher than teaching all sizes of officers to plam strike the chin and expect any and all opponents to lose their balance.

W. Hock Hochheim



Posted by Rich Nance
(11/22/08 - 02:09 PM)
I respectfully disagree with the "poke 'em in the eye" approach. Even if the strike had the desired effect (assuming you were accurate and the attacker was not wearing any type of eyewear) you're still left with a knife wielding attacker standing directly in front of you.

As for the knife bearing arm appearing to be "free" in the photo, keep in mind that we are actually running through the attacker and applying pressure. Since the attacker has no base, its not likley he will be able to re-direct the blade to cut you.

In force on force training, we've had much better success with taking the attacker's blance than resorting to a purely combative response. When you take the attacker's balance, his mindset is transformed from aggression to self preservation.

Remember, your goal when faced with an attacker armed with an edged weapon should be to negate the initial attack and create an opportunity to get to your firearm.



Posted by Tim in Phoenix, AZ
(11/24/08 - 02:26 PM)
Great Idea
I think this move(the Run through) would be a great way to defend myself from a guy with a knife. plus the best part is you don't have to hurt the guy just stop him.



Posted by Michael Geary in Concord NH
(11/24/08 - 03:29 PM)
Knife Attack
As a Martial Arts Grand Master with 45 years studing the Arts, I can tell you that the edge weapon is without a doubt the most dangerous weapon in a short distance fight. How the attacker carrys the weapon can give away whether he is trained or not. Be aware of the knife fighter who carrys his knife hidden with handle in palm and blade along his arm.



Posted by smoke n mirrors
(11/24/08 - 03:51 PM)
Hock that would take a lot more time to get that specific target, and what if you missed, and injured your trigger finger on their skull? Write an article on your own "school" and I don't think your ideas on Hicks Law carry water either....



Posted by Laramy in Maryville, TN
(11/25/08 - 01:18 AM)
Bicycle Kick
I have researched many systems and ways to combat being attacked with a knife. By far the best is the SSGT Bicycle kick defense. This is the only technique that I have seen that creates distance, places a barrier between you and the attacker, and gives you an opportunity to go for your weapon without sacrificing an arm to defend the knife while you do so.

Google "SSGT-Strategic Self Defense and Grappling." This program is wildly popular in the south. I would absolutely teach this technique and recommend it for any type of knife attack over the tactics described in this article. If you are looking for a gross motor skill movement to teach or use look into the SSGT technique.



Posted by Rich Nance
(11/25/08 - 01:06 PM)
Bicylce Kick
The bicycle kick is a valid strategy if you are on your back. I wouldn't recommend kicking an assailant armed with an edged weapon when you are standing in most cases. Kicks tend to be slower and more difficult to perform under stress than hand techniques. The success of a kick can be dependent on clothing restrictions and ground conditions as well. In my opinion, kicking is a good way to wind up on your back...but then I guess you could just use the "bicycle kick"...



Posted by Been There in Oakland, CA
(11/25/08 - 06:26 PM)
Knife defense
There are few things as dangerous as defending against a sudden knife attack. I've read these comments and it always seems someone has a better way of doing something. The eye poke might work. But don't count on it. The bicycle kick requires going to the ground. Hope the attacker doesn't had friends around. And should the attacker avoid your kicks and get on the ground with you, the stakes have really gone off the chart. I have learned and practiced everything I can find on the subject, including the Jim Wagner method, Red Zone, you name it. I purchased the WARTAC DVD on this subject and put it through some hard testing using a training marker blade, and I ended up with far fewer red lines on my body than with any other method. I'd suggest to anyone really interested in this subject to do the same thing. Give your training partner a training marker blade and have him come at you in a realistic attack - not a long distance telegraphed one - and try all the methods out there. There is no method that will work against all attacks at all times. If one of the methods leaves you with he fewest red lines on your body, use that one. Until you've done that, you should wait before you endorse this technique or that program. Wear protective equipment and train safe.



Posted by Laramy in Maryville, TN
(11/25/08 - 10:13 PM)
Bicycle Kick
Mr. Nance,
Thank you for this article and the discussion it provides. Without getting specific into the details of the bicycle kick, the point of the technique is to go to the ground when attacked. I disagree with your premise that hand techniques are easier to perform under stress than kicks. A kick is much more of a gross motor skill movement than the block and palm strike described above. Gross motor skills are generally regarded as easier to perform under stress.

Looking at the pictures above and reading the synopsis, I just disagree with the methodology. I agree that we should be teaching our officer to go for their gun in a knife attack. I also agree that we should not be teaching officers disarming techniques. I furthermore agree that we should employ a technique that allows officers to stop the initial attach to go for the gun. I think these are common points of interest that we all share. This is a departure from traditional movements that officers have been taught in the past. I believe the departure from those traditional movements is a good thing.
Where we disagree is how to accomplish our points of agreement. I do not like bringing my hands and arms up to the attacker while I am still within a distance that he can strike, thrust, stab or slash. Look at the picture and observe how much of his vital organs are exposed. Not only are his vitals exposed, but the movement requires him to move within striking distance.

"Been There", I agree with you that we should try these techniques in a life like scenario to test their validity. I have tried it, and I was very uncomfortable with it. I am sure that there are people who are reading my comments and are thinking, "There is no way I am going to the ground!" I understand that feeling and I was apprehensive until it was demonstrated for me and then I tried it.

Once again, I appreciate the chance to discuss knife and edged weapon attacks. It is a topic that I have not had the ability to talk about much on LEO forums. I believe in the bicycle kick technique and I believe that it will save officer's lives if they find themselves in an attack with an edged weapon.
If anybody cares to discuss the topic further feel free to contact me lgregor2@yahoo.com









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